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SACRAMENTO-

Smoking may not be the healthiest thing for you, but Shady Lady General Manager Carl Wengerknows all too well that customers like to smoke.

Not only that, we even sell cigars here. This is a bar, he said.

Wenger says the Shady Lady has a large outdoor patio for that very reason. Weve been open forfive years, he told FOX40 Monday.

But an idea for a new ordinance would ban smoking on the Shady Ladys patio, and every other patioin Sacramento restaurants and bars.

The idea came from Sacramento City Council member Steve Hansen.

When somebody lightsup, I personally have to move to a new table, Hansen told FOX40 Monday. Its about settinga new standard. Sacramento would join over 70 other cities in California that have alreadydone this. Hansen told FOX40 Monday that banning outdoor smoking on restaurant andbar patios is a step in the right direction.

Four city council members will meet at 3 p.m.Tuesday to engage in the first public discussion about a potential outdoor smoking ban.

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SACRAMENTO (CBS13) The Sacramento City Council is floating another smoking ban, this one expanding current bar and restaurant restriction to patios.

Councilman Steve Hansen is pushing hard to make most patios and porches off-limits to smokers.

It just seems logical, common sense, that if youre a smoker you can wait until after you are done eating or go somewhere else, he said.

But smokers like Daniel Davis are fired up over the idea of a new ordinance.

In my personal opinion, I think its sort of going too far, because as an American we have the freedom to enjoy ourselves and the pursuit of happiness, and this is my happiness, he said.

Happiness isnt the only thing that could be lost at restaurants and barsit could mean a drop in sales.

I know that when people drink, they tend to smoke more, and so if they want to they will go to places that they can smoke in the area or out on the patio, said smoker Shawn Scheff.

Tim Gibbs with the American Cancer Society claims the losses are overstated and says most may even make more money.

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I've been pouring through the new edition of "Sunset Western Garden Book of Landscaping: The Complete Guide to Beautiful Paths, Patios, Plantings and More." This book is hot off the press, published just this month. It complements "Sunset's New Western Garden Book" (ninth edition, February 2012), which is about plants.

The book provides more than 600 color photographs of gardens in the western states, with ideas for home gardeners and landscape professionals. It is organized under five headings: Gardens, Structures, Plants, Finishing Touches and Planning. Each section visits numerous topics, illustrating each in pages of comments and captioned photographs. The text identifies almost all plants that are shown, and the excellent index lists them all, as well.

Each topic could motivate the reader to seek detailed information in other sources.

Editor Kathleen Norris Brenzel notes that the book is primarily about inspiration, with an underlying theme of earth-friendly, sustainable design. In a brief introduction, landscape architect William R. Marken defines sustainability as basic to the "new golden age of landscape design," which has grown out of Thomas Church's four principles:

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